intelligence law enforcement working on it very hard. and was it the older brother -- i mean, we already saw on one of his websites earlier today, we actually used some of the language that bin laden used in 1996 where he called for war against the united states. so was it the brother, the older brother that brought the younger brother. i think we'll be hearing a lot from behaviorists from the upcoming days about what kind of impact, was there hero syndrome and how much was the younger brother really bought into this whole thing. >> yeah, there's been a lot of discussion today, robert, about radicalization within families and how that actually is a growing trend, at least among some ethnic groups is. that true? >> well, listen. you know, bin laden is dead. and the al qaeda under bin laden is not the same. that bin ladenism, that al qaedaism, because of the lack of a counternarrative in a lot of places like we're seeing in north africa and other places, it still has a very potent and toxic effect. thankfully, in the united states, we've h